Everything Begins with Seed

This is one thing that no one, on either side of the debate, has yet to consider. The one side that seems to be leading the charge on the YEC belief system is the Calvinist movement.  As a matter of fact, Calvinism has differing views on many Bible topics that are dead set against non-Calvinism Christian beliefs. It seems to me, my opinion, of course, that Calvinism is set up in such a way as to pit other Christians against other Christians.  The Calvinist debate of Old Earth vs. New Earth is an internal Christian debate, having really nothing to do with atheist vs. Christian.  Also, the Calvinist wants to make this issue a “salvation” issue, as well.  How can that be, since salvation is based on the disobedience of the 613 laws from Exodus 20 to the end of Deuteronomy, having nothing to do with Genesis 1 and 2?  Sin vs. Salvation.  Where does one have to believe that a creation day is 24 hours to be saved?  Which of those 613 laws specify that it is a sin to not believe in a literal 24 hour creation day?

I am an old earth believer.  I do not believe in evolution.  I do, however, believe that Bible genealogy supports a young mankind, including that of the animals, more specifically, dinosaurs.  Animals were “FORMED” after Adam was formed, and Adam named all the animals, not just some, but all.  This supports that there were NO dinosaurs before Adam. It seems to me that all of the young earthers believe that all of the Old Earth believers believe in evolution.  I don’t.

Next, all young earther’s have a stance that a day is 24 hours.  Why?  Someone recently told me “and the evening and the morning were the _____th day. So what?  Does that prove that a day in creation is 24 hours?  I think not. If, as the Bible states, that a day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as a day to God, then, just by that statement, after a thousand years is completed, then there is an evening and a morning, then the next day is a thousand years. I say that to show that there is a difference between a carnal day, and a spiritual day.  I am NOT saying that each day was a thousand years, I am saying that each day is a spiritual day, not a carnal day.

Many seem to remember Jesus asking:

John 11:9
Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day?

But they fail to seek the rest of the story regarding the words LIGHT and DARK.  It is LIGHT during the DAY, and DARK during the NIGHT.  In June, it is light MORE THAN twelve hours, and in November, it is light less than twelve hours.  So, what time of year do you think that Jesus was discussing here?

Walk in the day is the same as saying walk in the light, don’t walk in the darkness where you will trip and fall (SIN).

John 8:12 Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.

John 11:9 Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world.

John 11:10 But if a man walk in the night, he stumbleth, because there is no light in him.

John 12:35 Then Jesus said unto them, Yet a little while is the light with you. Walk while ye have the light, lest darkness come upon you: for he that walketh in darkness knoweth not whither he goeth.

Ephesians 5:8 For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light:

1 John 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

As you can see, we are to walk in the LIGHT (DAY) all day long, no matter what time of the day or night it is.  This has nothing to do with calculating that a day constitutes 12 hours or 24 hours.

The young earther’s dismiss that the 7th day of creation is not over with.  We present them with Hebrews Chapter 4 for this.  God rested on the 7th day.  There has never been an 8th day, or even a 9th day, or a tenth day.  God is still resting. We are to “enter into HIS rest”.  We are to enter into HIS 7th Day, HIS rest, HIS Sabbath. This shows that the 7th day has not ended, proving that there is a huge difference between spiritual days, and carnal days.

Next, both sides of the debate miss one very important issue.  Both sides seem to agree that Genesis chapter 2 is a review of Genesis chapter 1, specifically in regards to day number 6, man’s creation. I disagree that Genesis chapter 2 is a review of chapter 1.  Why?  Simple:

1.  Genesis Chapter 1 is CREATION

2.  Genesis Chapter 2 is FORMATION

1.  Genesis Chapter 1:  Creation of the SPIRITS (SEED), (BREATH OF LIFE) of man.

2.  Genesis Chapter 2:  Formation of the Body (Dirt) of man.

Everything begins with a seed.  Everything. How do I come to this conclusion?  Simple. The ORDER OF EVENTS is DIFFERENT between the two chapters.  Many have not even noticed this. In Genesis Chapter 1, notice that animals were CREATED BEFORE man. In Genesis Chapter 2, notice that animals were FORMED AFTER ADAM.  Then, after all of the animals were formed, FINALLY Eve was FORMED, and yet, in chapter 1, Eve was created at the same time as Adam. Many people assume that Adam was the first human CREATED.  No, We were all created on the same day, as spirits.

We were all created IN HEAVEN. One by one, God plants a seed (spirit) in dirt (BODY), and each one of us became a living soul.  Life begins at conception.  The sperm and the egg are dirt (BODY), but our spirit gives the body life (James 2:26).  When we die, WE GO “HOME”.  Home is where we came from, where we were created.  We were not created on earth, we were formed on earth.  All of us were created, at the same time, in heaven.  God is still resting from creation.  Man does not create man.  And since God is still at rest from his creation, that means that you and I were created at the same time that Adam was created, in God’s image (to be eternal from the moment of creation).

Next, from what I am reading in regards to the Young Earthers, they believe that when God created, say, for example, trees, that they were MATURE trees. But, I don’t believe that, since I believe that EVERYTHING begins with SEED, planted in DIRT. Carefully review how this is worded:

Genesis 2:5-9 5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground. 6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground. 7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. 8 And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed. 9 And out of the ground made the Lord God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.


1.  Nothing grew until mist watered the whole face of the ground.  This was BEFORE Adam was FORMED of the dirt.  Later, God PLANTED a Garden (How much later?  See note 2 below).  The ONLY thing that is PLANTED is SEED.

2.  When did God put Adam in the Garden?  During, before, OR after Adam became a “living” soul?  The answer is “AFTER”.  So Adam did NOT start out in the Garden.  The “planting” of the Garden was AFTER Adam became a living soul.

3.  After Adam was “IN” the Garden, “THEN” God made every tree IN the Garden GROW.  They weren’t already grown trees.

Do people who claim literal reading on both sides of the debate ever happen to read the order of events? Seed is missing from both sides of the debate. Seed is a very important topic in regards to spiritual things.  Seed is a carnal example of spiritual eternity.  For example, seed has no expiration date.  If you go to the nursery to buy apple seed for example, there is no “Plant no later than” date on the packet.  Come on Christians, think spiritual thoughts on things.  Seek out spiritual matters.  Seed begins all living things, including trees, animals, and man.

Finally, the next topic is also missing from both sides of the debate.  Angels. When were the angels created? The answer to that one is before “time”, before the beginning, in eternity. Genesis states that in the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. He certainly was not discussing his abode when he said “heaven”, as his abode is eternal. God has always been in heaven. He created the Angels before Genesis 1:1. Consider the angels in this:

1. When were they created?

2. When were they kicked out?

3. Where were they kicked to?

4. Where is hell?

5. Who was hell created for?

6. When was hell created?

THIS topic in regards to angels and hell is key to my understanding of the gap theory.  Hell is not in “eternity”, but it is in “time”.  Heaven is in “eternity” where there is no concept of “time”.  Spiritual words to consider are the words “darkness”, and “deep”, for example.  Carnal definitions do not always help when looking at spiritual interpretations.  For example, in the book of Jonah Chapter 2, there is a “spiritual” description of hell that Jesus went to.  Put on spiritual lenses and couple that with both 2 Samuel 22:4-51 with Psalm 18:3-50.  They are both the same with the exception of one verse in each.  2 Samuel 22:8 and Psalm 18:7.

Jeremiah 4:23 I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light.

We cannot ignore Jeremiah when discussing the following:

Genesis 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep.

I do think that if one “spiritually” interprets scripture, that there is a “hint” of a concept of Old Earth.  This, to me, would tie into the tohuw (void)/bohuw (without form).  Something happened, and I don’t know what, but I think it had something to do with the angels that were kicked out of heaven, and placed on this earth.  We know that there are demons in the world, not just down in the “heart of the earth”, but that they are all around us. I just wish that there was more “spiritual” investigation in the debate, rather than all of the science stuff.  Science will never ever ever ever prove the existence of God.  But OBSERVATION OF SCIENCE is an important part of the equation, COUPLED WITH a spiritual look at scripture, and not the carnal 24 hour day concept.

So, when Jesus states, Before Abraham was, I AM, it is simple to conclude that before any of us were CREATED, Jesus exists (present tense, for an eternity). Just doing a simple dictionary dot com will show that the word AM is defined as “BE”, and “BE” is defined as “EXIST”.

Please consider what I have written, and take another fresh look at Genesis 1 and 2, paying particular attention to the difference between the two chapters, rather than the similarities of the two.